DarkMatter2525 fails at theology again!!

@grimordwow

More Theology 101

God is not contingent upon anything LOL, contingency entails an imperfection.

Omnipotence is, roughly, a being that can bring about any metaphysically possible state of affair, or something similar.

In conclusion your argument fails, as does YOUR version of God who =/= God (cf: your contigent God = imperfect), all because you don’t know theology.

@grimordwow

Theology 101

First “my God” would be “your God” also. Second, God is not physical, Third, Zero energy that totals from what? Hawking is an abject dolt that doesn’t understand that holes in the ground with a patch of dirt nearby HAD to have been shoveled. Fourth, A Potter is not made from his own clay, so your analogy fails.

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@aSongScout
Anecdotal evidence is never regarded highly in academia so you’ll have to do better than that. As I already said Christian doctrine continually emphasizes that God [the concept of and his message] can be denied by humans or accepted. So clearly not “for shits and giggles” [which is an utterly pathetic attempt at understanding actual Christian doctrine]. BTW, knowing a future free decision, since God would know all factuals and counter-factuals, is not determinism.

What you seem to be arguing over and over again is that God is not responsible for our decision to not believe in him. If God is omnipotent and has the ability to see what choice I would make in the future, and created every cell in my body including all the firing neurons in my brain, it is his fault for designing me that way. The “free will” aspect of the situation is ONLY from a human’s perspective because they can’t see into the future.

Your response to his blog post in the description is just as stupid. I quote you

- “Everyone has a purpose in fulfilling God’s plan.” Well where is DM getting that from exactly? That’s just an assertion. -

How about from every evangelical I’ve ever heard. I’ve heard the same sort of crud over and over about how God has a plan for me. As for atheists not having a part to do with the salvation of others…what part of the plan are they? None of it? Did God created them for shits and giggles?

@TimelessApologist Your god, if he did exist, had to have zero mass and zero energy or being completely outside and unable to interact with our natural forces which means he either does not exist or he is powerless within our universe. Now tell me some pointless philosophical and unscientific rubbish to cover up for your desperation. I can barely wait.

@TimelessApologist Philosophical statement about science? Also known as pointless conjecture made by someone without a clue about physics while trying to define it? You can’t try to define something you don’t understand and try to counter those who actually understand. Learn your math and learn your philosophy before trying to be snobby towards others.

@TimelessApologist This goes both to you and the poster of the video: You’re wrong. Finite, as in a finite set defined by mathematics, is one thing, the other is the crap philosophers come up with and contingent has no real mathematical application in the sense you describe, hence I asked for you to give me your own interpretation, which obviously you are unable to provide, and that’s why some take up philosophy and others actually become engineers and scientists.

@Ravlei
I’ve replied in the blurb under this video.

DM made a response to this in the form of a blog called disbeliefindisbelief (on blogspot). You can find the link to it at the end of his most recent video. You were completely trounced.

@CommitToFocus
So what do you think about God then?

theology doesn’t exist, since there’s no knowledge present in it. Fairy tales is more like it.

@Potemkinbob

“So God has revealed himself to everyone? I must have been out sick that day.”

This satire doesn’t even make any sense LOL. It wouldn’t matter if you were sick on that day in any place X of the world, God revealing himself to everyone would imply all those who are home sick at any place X in the world. Whether it be in the doctors office or at home in bed LOL

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@grimordwow
If you don’t even know what contingent and finite mean and how scientists use these terms of our universe then you definitely have ruled yourself out of any intellectual discussion on the subject.

@grimordwow

You said ” Define “contigent” and “finite” in scientific terms if you want it to be scientific, philosophical/verbal play doesnt work.”

^you do realize that is a philosophical statement about science correct?^

By saying define X in scientific terms = use of philosophy

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@grimordwow

Yes black and white makes more sense on this aspect, otherwise EVERYTHING that you state shouldn’t be taken seriously, because you don’t even believe in your own statements as entailing truth. You could be lying to yourself for all we know. This is why “defining” is important.

Also define “creationist” for us

@galerouth

This is why you are a village atheist

1. Buddha was NOT a God, one doesn’t have to commit to theism to be a buddhist

2. Zues = Polytheism, AND was a 2nd rate God that I wouldn’t even call a God. He wasn’t outside time and space, he wasn’t even the most powerful. The greatest conceivable being =/= Zues

3. Allah just means God in arabic LOL

@TheCartesianTheist I keep forgetting how black and white the religious world is. Ok then, liar it is. Now you don’t have anything else to divert to, will you come up with a proper answer? Just repeating what you read in a creationist website is a very weak argument. But I’ll bite, slightly. The universe is contingent and finite? Philosophical bs again? Define “contigent” and “finite” in scientific terms if you want it to be scientific, philosophical/verbal play doesnt work.

So God has revealed himself to everyone? I must have been out sick that day.

By the way, thanks for allowing comments and ratings. I gave you a thumbs-up even though I don’t agree with your main assertion.

@TheCartesianTheist

even though you can’t prove that your particular god exist along with allah, Buddha, zeus and many others… but can you please tell me the name of the song used in your video?

that song is awesome!

@grimordwow
Since the definition of a liar is someone who lies then I feel like your distinction is fatally flawed semantically. Figuring out the difference between a lie and someone saying something you disagree with is a very important step on the road to maturity.

I have, of course, already answered the questions you are repeating here. The universe is an impossible candidate for being the first cause since it’s contingent and has a finite past according to science.

@TheCartesianTheist I didn’t call you a liar, either. Just mentioned you said a lie. Whether on purpose or out of ignorance I never tried to ascertain. Still, for the third time, how did your god (how do you know which god, btw?) come into existence? You say he is infinite. Ok. That can also be said by the universe. Why is an infinite universe less plausible than an all powerful intelligent creator?

@TheCartesianTheist I like how you just pick the minor aspects of my comments and go on a tirade about that, always failing to address anything I say. Now you reply “I didn’t see any question” or something like that, yes? You can measure background radiation, for instance. What can you measure about “gods”? That miracles stopped happening once the camera was invented? Fear of the dark is past being a good excuse.

@grimordwow
So following what science tteaches us is a “lie” now is it then? Scientists have measured to expansion of the universe – yes they have and have estimated that the singularity boundary took place some 14 billion years in the past. Of course, if you wish to ignore science in order to hang on to your atheism that is completely up to you but I don’t think it’s fair to call those of us who are accepting what science says as being the “liars”!

@TheCartesianTheist I’ll even ignore the lie in that last comment. How can you know what or how your god is made of? Can you measure it to see if it’s infinite or not? All you have are excuses made up by other theists. Looking at a conclusion and making up facts that support it is quite easy, innit? Still, you fail to explain how a super intelligent and powerful being rises up out of nothing more easily than a natural universe.